# As a new Notary who is the GOAT? **URL:** \ **Category:** Beginner's Questions\ **Created:** [May 5, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/as-a-new-notary-who-is-the-goat/39959 "2023-05-05T20:48:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Richard.Chasnoff](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/richard.chasnoff/32/25576_2.png) [@Richard.Chasnoff](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/Richard.Chasnoff)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/as-a-new-notary-who-is-the-goat/39959/1 "2023-05-05T20:48:42Z")
Hi, I am a new Notary Public in Saint Louis Missouri, and would like to ask who is the GOAT in referral services. I would also like to ask who are the rotten companies to stay away from. Thank you in advance for anything you could offer! ---
**Author:** ![prosigner2005](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/prosigner2005/32/33829_2.png) [@prosigner2005](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/prosigner2005)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 2:18pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/as-a-new-notary-who-is-the-goat/39959/2 "2023-05-07T14:18:17Z")
Welcome! Check out FB group Deadbeat Signing Companies as well as doing a search here for key words, like nonpayment, slow pay, deadbeat. There are a good number of them. Best wishes in the biz. ---
**Author:** ![Arichter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/arichter/32/35077_2.png) [@Arichter](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/Arichter)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/as-a-new-notary-who-is-the-goat/39959/3 "2023-05-07T14:44:10Z")
No GOATs. Lots of weasels, tho’. Too many notaries/very little business = classic supply/demand situation: fees go down (and only fools accept no profit). The former good ones are leaving an unsustainable business as they, too, are affected by supply/demand. Where they used to earn their money filling MANY signings, now their survival depends upon finding notaries who work for pennies so they can retain most of the fee. ---
**Author:** ![ewing\_joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/ewing_joe/32/33581_2.png) [@ewing\_joe](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/ewing_joe)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 5:07am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/as-a-new-notary-who-is-the-goat/39959/4 "2023-05-08T05:07:50Z")
The GOAT is anybody with a fairly successful “old school” life insurance sales background that likes people, knows how to market, and is tired of asking for the signature. This business is a natural fit. ---
**Author:** ![alishaquincygrpnxtgen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/alishaquincygrpnxtgen/32/28422_2.png) [@alishaquincygrpnxtgen](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/alishaquincygrpnxtgen)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 2:26pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/as-a-new-notary-who-is-the-goat/39959/5 "2023-12-15T14:26:35Z")
Why are so many replies not answering his question? ---
**Author:** ![LindaH-FL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8baadc/32.png) [@LindaH-FL](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/LindaH-FL)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 3:20pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/as-a-new-notary-who-is-the-goat/39959/6 "2023-12-15T15:20:53Z")
They did - i.e. search here, search FB, no GOATs…all true answers What a GOAT is for one or a handful of notaries may be a horrible company to others ---
**Author:** ![cNsa5](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/cnsa5/32/33381_2.png) [@cNsa5](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/cNsa5)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 4:01pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/as-a-new-notary-who-is-the-goat/39959/7 "2023-12-15T16:01:51Z")
@alishaquincygrpnxtgen Hmmm . . . 1. Like MANY things in life there are no easy answers. 2. All replies DEFINITIVELY did answer the query of the OP. 3. Concur with @Arichter “No GOATs. Lots of weasels” 4. Concur with @LindaH-FL research & due diligence is **paramount** to SUCCESS in this business sector. 5. We are _ **FELLOW BUSINESS OWNERS** _ answering these questions (_no staff members answer queries_). ====== In summation, “who is the GOAT . . . who are the rotten companies to stay away from” is easily answered by accessing the GOLDMINE database: It’s always wise to _ **research & vet a new client** _ prior to providing a definitive confirmation to them for your initial Signing Order for them. A great start of research would begin within the **Notary Cafe** forums _ **Search Function** _. A request has been submitted on numerous occasions [_to BRIGHTEN the Magnifying Glass_] over the years to the **Notary Cafe** Team Leads. That request has been reportedly passed onto the programmers of the site =\> that most members find it _ **difficult/nearly impossible to locate** _ the **Search Function** in order to access the wealth of info available within the database. To be helpful, I’ve inserted an image for you & others [_see below_] to help members locate it to unlock the wisdom & knowledge of other members on the forums. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/notarycafe/original/3X/c/1/c12ed69b72f4cf876ca58fffa04753d9a9fa5945.png) _ **Accessing the database to locate info about potential clients has saved many of us an inordinate amount of time ‘chasing’ payments for Services professionally provided to potential non-payers . . .** _ 🦢 ---
**Author:** ![RiverpointeTax](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/riverpointetax/32/33704_2.png) [@RiverpointeTax](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/RiverpointeTax)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/as-a-new-notary-who-is-the-goat/39959/8 "2023-12-18T15:06:27Z")
“No GOATs. Lots of weasels”. That made my Monday. I forgot your comment until just now. It seems the weasels are now breeding unchecked. ---
**Author:** ![NC\_Emily](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4bbf92/32.png) [@NC\_Emily](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/NC_Emily)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2024, 3:07pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/as-a-new-notary-who-is-the-goat/39959/9 "2024-03-17T15:07:12Z")
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