# Things are not looking good out there people. I am officially sad. šŸ˜¢ **URL:** \ **Category:** Looking For Advice\ **Created:** [February 23, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707 "2022-02-23T20:28:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![vvs.notary.services](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/vvs.notary.services/32/19677_2.png) [@vvs.notary.services](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/vvs.notary.services)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/21 "2022-02-26T22:28:15Z")
Maybe I missed something here. I DID say Newbies take low ball offers to get the experience. If we donā€™t tell them (when they ask) how the business works, they will just research it. I DID NOT say they would make more money with experience. I DIDNā€™T even elaborate on the backfill of ā€œmore Newbiesā€ probably because that applies to all jobs. ---
**Author:** ![marthajeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a5b964/32.png) [@marthajeep](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/marthajeep)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 4:43am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/22 "2022-02-27T04:43:28Z")
Thank you for that! A bit of positivity in a very negative field lately. ---
**Author:** ![cNsa5](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/cnsa5/32/33381_2.png) [@cNsa5](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/cNsa5)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 1:51pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/23 "2022-02-27T13:51:38Z")
> [@Bobby-CA](#): > > This forum is full of great ideas for developing business if you are willing to use the ā€˜searchā€™ feature and dig 'em out. Concur šŸ’Æ Percent @Bobby-CAšŸ‘šŸ¦‰ šŸ¦¢ ---
**Author:** ![cNsa5](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/cnsa5/32/33381_2.png) [@cNsa5](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/cNsa5)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 1:52pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/24 "2022-02-27T13:52:22Z")
> [@Bobby-CA](#): > > There are a number of notaries on here that have been notaries for years, decades even, and they survived all the economic downturns that came their way. Concur šŸ’Æ Percent @Bobby-CAšŸ‘šŸ¦‰_ **BTDT 1st-hand experience.** _ šŸ¦¢ ---
**Author:** ![ann\_rousseff](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/ann_rousseff/32/33931_2.png) [@ann\_rousseff](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/ann_rousseff)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 1:23am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/25 "2022-03-01T01:23:20Z")
This is the way to keep notaryā€™s fee lower. I hope all we understand this?! ---
**Author:** ![ann\_rousseff](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/ann_rousseff/32/33931_2.png) [@ann\_rousseff](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/ann_rousseff)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 1:27am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/26 "2022-03-01T01:27:01Z")
I agree and disagree with you. If you are newbie for 10 days, it means you almost havenā€™t been a newbie. So, based on it I disagree. But if someone feels newbie for 1 year, then sorry, your state3ment works. ---
**Author:** ![rosofthec](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@rosofthec](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/rosofthec)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 1:58am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/27 "2022-03-01T01:58:57Z")
No itā€™s really happening. Thereā€™s no excuse for it. ---
**Author:** ![rosofthec](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@rosofthec](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/rosofthec)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 1:59am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/28 "2022-03-01T01:59:54Z")
Iā€™m sure they are married with financial help. ---
**Author:** ![steves11](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/steves11/32/34877_2.png) [@steves11](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/steves11)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 3:39am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/29 "2022-03-01T03:39:19Z")
Notaries may be a dime a dozen but only the strong will survive. The ones who thought they could make a killing in this business will realize that itā€™s not so easy and will fall by the wayside. This business should not be used as your sole source of income. There are lots of easier ways to make a living. I can assure you that the few people who actually do make six figures in this business work their asses offā€¦more so than most people are willing to do. ---
**Author:** ![donaldsonnp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/donaldsonnp/32/35197_2.png) [@donaldsonnp](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/donaldsonnp)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 3:50am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/30 "2022-03-01T03:50:09Z")
Preach!!! This business is not easy and anyone who came into it thinking they were going to make 6 figures the first week, month or yearā€¦ well I have some moon rocks I collected myself and I am letting it go for a stealā€¦ any takers?šŸ˜œ ---
**Author:** ![VIPnotaryCO](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/vipnotaryco/32/27834_2.png) [@VIPnotaryCO](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/VIPnotaryCO)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 3:54am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/31 "2022-03-01T03:54:02Z")
Moon rocks? Hey Iā€™ll take them all! šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ I like moon rocks! šŸ˜‚ ---
**Author:** ![donaldsonnp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/donaldsonnp/32/35197_2.png) [@donaldsonnp](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/donaldsonnp)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 4:18am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/32 "2022-03-01T04:18:21Z")
Okay, one momentā€¦ Iā€™m collecting ones, especially for youā€¦ šŸ¤£ ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/notarycafe/original/3X/1/4/1412cce2cc6c02276e95c0558e75f8f34f266308.png) ---
**Author:** ![cjalban15](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/cjalban15/32/18441_2.png) [@cjalban15](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/cjalban15)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 4:43am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/33 "2022-03-01T04:43:38Z")
Honesty is the best policy! When someone asks how I got into it, I share my story. I know many wonā€™t take the plunge but some might. I think itā€™s great we have a community here. ---
**Author:** ![VIPnotaryCO](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/vipnotaryco/32/27834_2.png) [@VIPnotaryCO](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/VIPnotaryCO)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 6:04am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/34 "2022-03-01T06:04:55Z")
Yay!!!šŸ‘šŸ‘ pease please. Thank you! I hope those moon rocks get here in time for my RON closings tomorrow! ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/notarycafe/original/3X/c/e/cef129b3aca4663192c9f239a1ced5e95f1ea902.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![OSA9801](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/osa9801/32/18875_2.png) [@OSA9801](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/OSA9801)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 7:03am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/35 "2022-03-01T07:03:57Z")
Exactly! Iā€™ve been in this business for 16 years in a major metropolitan city. I feel like 2008 is here again. It hasnā€™t just slowed down, it is plummeting every day. I contacted my main title companies, National Title companies, and the sad news is we have been flooded over the last year with new NOTARIES low balling and accepting minimal fees as they try to get ā€œexperienceā€ and the average going price is now between $60 - $80 for a refi with paper docs! All of the programs out there that set up these training classes claiming people can make an easy $10k a month has ruined our industry. Why lowball the fees??? Title companies are not lowering their fees to lenders and borrowers- they are gaining profit with leaps and bounds while we are losing our businesses overnight. Grrrrrrrr. ---
**Author:** ![VIPnotaryCO](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/vipnotaryco/32/27834_2.png) [@VIPnotaryCO](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/VIPnotaryCO)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 7:10am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/36 "2022-03-01T07:10:13Z")
> [@OSA9801](#): > > All of the programs out there that set up these training classes claiming people can make an easy $10k a month has ruined our industry. Why lowball the fees??? Title companies are not lowering their fees to lenders and borrowers- they are gaining profit with leaps and bounds while we are losing our businesses overnight. Grrrrrrrr. 100% Concurred!!!ā€™ā€¦ā€¦ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![OSA9801](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/osa9801/32/18875_2.png) [@OSA9801](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/OSA9801)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 7:21am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/37 "2022-03-01T07:21:55Z")
I say BS on reputation. Iā€™ve been in it for decades, have an A+ reputation with local and major national offices and Title companies have little to no ā€œloyaltyā€ to reputation. They are focusing on bottom line $. The more they save the more they make. They have shown for as long as Iā€™ve seen that they are willing to take and absorb the risk of errors made by hiring newbies at rock bottom prices. Sure theyā€™ll call us finely skilled for VIP files but thatā€™s not the majority of the orders to be filled. ---
**Author:** ![borunda06jason](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/borunda06jason/32/33395_2.png) [@borunda06jason](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/borunda06jason)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 9:15am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/38 "2022-03-01T09:15:14Z")
The Mark Wills YouTube videos and his students are saying itā€™s easy and fun to make $100k being a notary signing agent, any thoughts about that? I just saw one of his students say she makes 8k a month even when itā€™s slow? I just want to hear your take on All this please ---
**Author:** ![byrainbow](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/byrainbow/32/33942_2.png) [@byrainbow](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/byrainbow)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 11:59am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/39 "2022-03-01T11:59:38Z")
I had found a big drop off in December and there isnā€™t any work hardly. I didnā€™t know what was up but am going to check around and see what is happening. There doesnā€™t seem to be any notices of jobs available. ---
**Author:** ![OSA9801](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/osa9801/32/18875_2.png) [@OSA9801](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/OSA9801)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 5:39pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707/40 "2022-03-01T17:39:38Z")
His classes are total BS. 2020 was the Best year ever in over 16 years as a full-time closer who goes above and beyond every day but Sunday. Traveling up to 130 mile radius. It may have been possible in 2020 which it was for me, however, itā€™s not easy breezy as youā€™re working 8 to 12 closings a day. Yes, literally 8 to 12 refi closings a day! Do you know what that does to your sanity? I sure do! With all the newbies out there and the lowball fees, we will all be lucky if weā€™re making minimum wage salary by the end of the year. [Previous page](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/things-are-not-looking-good-out-there-people-i-am-officially-sad/31707.md?page=3)