# What would you do if you were offered $70 **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [May 1, 2024, 2:20am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553 "2024-05-01T02:20:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jasalynelena04](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/jasalynelena04/32/30288_2.png) [@jasalynelena04](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/jasalynelena04)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 2:20am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/1 "2024-05-01T02:20:38Z")
Hello, Is it wrong that i sent a order back because they only offered $70 with a total of 424 pages that includes a copy and it was a 1 hour drive? ---
**Author:** ![shiller.azor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/shiller.azor/32/33966_2.png) [@shiller.azor](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/shiller.azor)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 3:16am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/2 "2024-05-01T03:16:50Z")
I bet I know which signing service it is. Usually they are other notaries pretending to be signing services. There are a few of them that are as notorious. The reason that happens is because new notaries are accepting these type of orders. I would negotiate the best fee factoring all of my expenses for that signing. ---
**Author:** ![Arichter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/arichter/32/35077_2.png) [@Arichter](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/Arichter)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 12:29pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/3 "2024-05-01T12:29:21Z")
Absolutely not wrong. The 1 hr. drive (time & gas) alone is $70. When this happens, I immediately briefly explain my problem w/fee and give them a choice. Increase fee to $xxx or re-assign. I get my fee about 75% of the time. ---
**Author:** ![shiffmannotary](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/shiffmannotary/32/36047_2.png) [@shiffmannotary](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/shiffmannotary)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/4 "2024-05-01T16:05:34Z")
I’m taking it. Profit is profit straight up ---
**Author:** ![LindaH-FL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8baadc/32.png) [@LindaH-FL](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/LindaH-FL)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 4:22pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/5 "2024-05-01T16:22:43Z")
There is no profit in $70 to print 424 pages, travel and the rest of the assignment. You should know that…you’re in LI…there’s no profit in $70 ---
**Author:** ![shiffmannotary](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/shiffmannotary/32/36047_2.png) [@shiffmannotary](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/shiffmannotary)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 4:31pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/6 "2024-05-01T16:31:33Z")
8$ for a paper pack of 500, 120 miles in a spread out area getting 30 a gallon 12-15$ in gas. 10-15 in toner 75-38= 37. Tax after right off 20% so 29. Some people knock off 10% for asset depreciation of your vehicle net 26 more or less. Not ideal but still a margin ---
**Author:** ![Arichter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/arichter/32/35077_2.png) [@Arichter](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/Arichter)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/7 "2024-05-01T18:09:38Z")
If I understand above, your $29 ‘profit’ means your time to drive (2 hrs RT) and print/prep/drop time - 1/2 hr & 1 hr. at table is only worth about $8.29/hour OR 29 cents more than HALF of minimum wage in your area. Doesn’t sound like a ‘margin of profit’ to me…more like a loss. ---
**Author:** ![shiffmannotary](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/shiffmannotary/32/36047_2.png) [@shiffmannotary](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/shiffmannotary)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 6:44pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/8 "2024-05-01T18:44:16Z")
5 comments about this, #1 I generally don’t count hourly pay, as for me it’s about the conversion value rather than the hourly pay. Basically, I will take any order as long as it makes financial sense. For example a 25-35$ loan mod 15-20 pages 10 miles away (20 mins Long Island) #2 I would rather have an order even if it is low paying than no order at all. I hear all the time notaries being like there’s no orders but there are orders just not enough money for them. I understand it’s not ideal but it beats sitting at home making nothing #3 even if it is low paying it benefits for the relationship building at least once In a while #4 businesses have to move with the market place. If the marketplace is offering lower offers consistently for our service we must price lower or get knocked out of business. The basis of this Locke economics. Right now the demand for our loan signing services is being pushed down because of the state of the real estate market. As a result, prices will inevitably go down as they’re are more notaries available to take 1 order. At that point, the market will check itself appropriately some notaries will inevitably be knocked out of the business due to 2 reasons 1 not wanting to take lower fees 2 providing bad service (not anyone here but we all know someone). 5 if y’all are concerned about low fees just pick up something on the way or at that destination, a field inspection, process serve, wedding, GNW, etc Overall, my whole point explaining this is that I’ll take a supposed “low offer” if there’s profit. I don’t do the bait and switch I take it as it is and call it a day ---
**Author:** ![Arichter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/arichter/32/35077_2.png) [@Arichter](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/Arichter)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 6:59pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/9 "2024-05-01T18:59:22Z")
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**Author:** ![LindaH-FL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8baadc/32.png) [@LindaH-FL](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/LindaH-FL)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/10 "2024-05-01T19:16:25Z")
“would rather have an order than no order at all” “would rather have an order than sit at home” Oh yes, we’ve heard it all before… > [@shiffmannotary](#): > > even if it is low paying it benefits for the relationship building at least once In a while Nope…there’s no loyalty in this business any more. There used to be - no longer. > [@shiffmannotary](#): > > Right now the demand for our loan signing services is being pushed down because of the state of the real estate market. Nope - the reason our fees are bottomed out is because of notaries, like you, making statements as you did - see my quotes above. New notaries coming in, and standing notaries adjusting their fees DOWN…have driven this once profitable business sector into the ground. You’ll never command a respectable fee if you stick to “anything is better than nothing” - you, your time and your expertise are worth more than that. What happened to “work smarter, not harder”. And now I understand your RON notary offer of $25-$30/week. BTW - in NY, a RON notary can charge up to $25 PER NOTARIAL ACT…you should respect that. JMO ---
**Author:** ![shiffmannotary](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/shiffmannotary/32/36047_2.png) [@shiffmannotary](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/shiffmannotary)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/11 "2024-05-01T19:29:33Z")
Well Linda, I guess its that simple, if you wont take them we will. Best regards ---
**Author:** ![shiffmannotary](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/shiffmannotary/32/36047_2.png) [@shiffmannotary](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/shiffmannotary)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/12 "2024-05-01T19:31:42Z")
> [@LindaH-FL](#): > > $25-$30/week. BTW - in NY, a RON notary can charge up to $25 PER NOTARIAL ACT…you should respect that. Regarding this section, thats my decision what I want to pay and should not be shamed for it. If you dont want it dont take it that simple. If no one inquires about it I’ll find someone else. Once again marketplace, seems kinda difficult for you folks to understand ---
**Author:** ![shiffmannotary](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/shiffmannotary/32/36047_2.png) [@shiffmannotary](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/shiffmannotary)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/13 "2024-05-01T19:35:38Z")
> [@LindaH-FL](#): > > Nope - the reason our fees are bottomed out is because of notaries, like you, making statements as you did - see my quotes above. New notaries coming in, and standing notaries adjusting their fees DOWN…have driven this once profitable business sector into the ground. One more for you guys before I stop responding. I dont actually believe there is a overstauration of notaries, I believe the industry has changed, however, I dont think there is a oversaturation. What I do with my business is competitive, if you dont want to compete then dont and continue to stay on the sidelines. I’ll use a loan mod for example, generally pay between 25-35. I hear all the time “I wont leave my house for less than 100” Then I will, thats the way capitalism works. So when complaining about low fees its that simple, take them or I will. Gotta put money in the bank ---
**Author:** ![mrj](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/mrj/32/33817_2.png) [@mrj](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/mrj)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 12:44am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/14 "2024-05-02T00:44:50Z")
KNOW YOUR WORTH…calculate your time to prep the docs and travel, print (toner) and paper costs and your time at the table with 1-2 signers. Don’t sell yourself cheap and definitely remind yourself you’re not an EMPLOYEE you’re the CEO of your company. ---
**Author:** ![jennjoneis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/jennjoneis/32/34972_2.png) [@jennjoneis](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/jennjoneis)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 1:09am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/15 "2024-05-02T01:09:08Z")
tell them you require a $100 or more print fee added due to the number of pages= totally legitamite request ---
**Author:** ![RiverpointeTax](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/riverpointetax/32/33704_2.png) [@RiverpointeTax](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/RiverpointeTax)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 2:30am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/16 "2024-05-02T02:30:41Z")
Ethan, You haven’t been doing this work for very long, have you? I’ll suggest you find a mentor before you put yourself out of business. ---
**Author:** ![abbottirene](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/abbottirene/32/37509_2.png) [@abbottirene](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/abbottirene)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 5:52am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/17 "2024-05-02T05:52:03Z")
No one can operate at a loss and still stay in business. So many pages sounds a bit out of the normal size. An hour drive x2 plus 2 hours at the client (if they’re familiar with the documents) also an hour to print and prepare means you have to determine that after expenses you’re not going to make anything. Maybe they’re forgetting travel expenses and printing. ---
**Author:** ![abbottirene](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/abbottirene/32/37509_2.png) [@abbottirene](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/abbottirene)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 6:01am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/18 "2024-05-02T06:01:41Z")
I guess you’ll have to be ok with barely getting by. I try to offer exceptional service which helps the loan company. I won’t take the lowball offers. I guess everyone gets what they pay for but in the end better quality will lead to more business. Totally up to everyone involved. ---
**Author:** ![RiverpointeTax](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/riverpointetax/32/33704_2.png) [@RiverpointeTax](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/RiverpointeTax)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 6:22am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/19 "2024-05-02T06:22:12Z")
That package sound like a Texas closing/HELOC. Was that one travel time round trip? My travel fees for 2 hour round trip visit is $75.00. ---
**Author:** ![abbottirene](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.notarycafe.com/abbottirene/32/37509_2.png) [@abbottirene](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/abbottirene)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 6:27am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553/20 "2024-05-02T06:27:15Z")
Did you forget the training, licenses, insurance and other little incidentals like that? Asking for someone who likes to eat more than once every other day. [Next page](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-were-offered-70/45553.md?page=2)