# Who credentials Trainers
**URL:** https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522
**Category:** Looking For Advice
**Created:** [February 18, 2022, 1:41am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522 "2022-02-18T01:41:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Arichter](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/Arichter)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 3:45pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/22 "2022-02-18T15:45:40Z")
While I agree with self-starting & perserverance, researching viability is mandatory, too.
I mean, no matter how much I may want to make sandals for garden gnomes–there is no market. Nor do I think opening the 4th hotdog stand at an intersection is a guaranteed success.
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### Author:  [@cNsa5](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/cNsa5)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/23 "2022-02-18T15:47:39Z")
> [@Arichter](#):
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> researching viability is mandatory, too.
FYI: This would be a component of any _ **professional business owner’s formal Business Plan** _. Just an additional justification for self-education/training/mentoring as I referenced above.
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### Author:  [@VIPnotaryCO](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/VIPnotaryCO)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/24 "2022-02-18T15:50:52Z")
You are right. I said no training and mentoring based on my experience and opinion:). I agree with your disagreements.
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### Author:  [@LindaH-FL](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/LindaH-FL)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 4:12pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/25 "2022-02-18T16:12:31Z")
> [@Arichter](#):
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> no matter how much I may want to make sandals for garden gnomes
I’m sorry but that is just downright funny, Arichter!!! 😃
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### Author:  [@VIPnotaryCO](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/VIPnotaryCO)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/26 "2022-02-18T16:27:19Z")
I should have made it more clear! What I want to say was it’s not necessary to get formal training or mentoring from those teachers who are selling classes. All you need is get your BGC and Re-Certified annually via NNA training in order to be a certified NSA to do loan closing.
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### Author:  [@LindaH-FL](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/LindaH-FL)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 4:32pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/27 "2022-02-18T16:32:23Z")
> [@VIPnotaryCO](#):
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> All you need is get your BGC and Re-Certified annually via NNA training i
Which includes NNA training and certification test…no?
I’m going to disagree with your post here. There is nothing more dangerous to the general public than an untrained notary dipping there fingers into someone’s major financial transaction. You cannot put a price or discount good, comprehensive training to help one get to their “A” game.
JMO
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### Author:  [@VIPnotaryCO](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/VIPnotaryCO)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 4:37pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/28 "2022-02-18T16:37:08Z")
Of course, I honestly thought the question was about training and mentoring from other teachers who are teaching people to be NSA and show them how to make a lot of money.
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### Author:  [@VIPnotaryCO](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/VIPnotaryCO)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/29 "2022-02-18T16:41:38Z")
Yes you have to be trained and certified by NNA to be an NSA. What I want to say was all you need is NNA and you don’t need to waste money paying for all these other classes out there. And no I’m definitely not an untrained notary as you put it. I think this subject is getting off track. I will stop now.
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### Author:  [@VIPnotaryCO](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/VIPnotaryCO)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/30 "2022-02-18T16:55:51Z")
The poster asked about mentorship: I understood it as in addition to the NNA training and certification, is it required to get a mentor to train you the ins and outs in a job as an NSA? We all know that NNA does not offer mentoring side of the business. And I answered based on my own experience and my own opinion . Please read his questions again and don’t be so quick to presume and judge me. I know that you have bias against me.
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### Author:  [@VIPnotaryCO](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/VIPnotaryCO)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/31 "2022-02-18T18:03:51Z")
If you look at the previous posts out there. I am very supportive of being a sponge and absorb all you can through training and educating yourself to gain knowledge in this business on top of NNA training and certification but it is NOT necessary! It is all up to the person because for some it’s like pouring water on a duck head it will not stick. Or the American saying. you can bring the water to the horse but you can’t make him drink!
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### Author:  [@LindaH-FL](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/LindaH-FL)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/32 "2022-02-18T18:09:24Z")
@VIPnotaryCO all due respect to you, but you need to calm down and let this go - you have clearly made your point.
Again, all due respect.
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### Author:  [@VIPnotaryCO](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/VIPnotaryCO)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/33 "2022-02-18T18:17:48Z")
OK thank you. I’m letting it go! 😁
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### Author:  [@RiverpointeTax](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/RiverpointeTax)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 10:30pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/34 "2022-02-18T22:30:30Z")
Too funny. I’m going to steal the Garden Gnome Sandals from you. 🤣
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### Author:  [@LindaH-FL](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/LindaH-FL)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/35 "2022-02-18T22:37:44Z")
I’m with you Riverpoint. That was just too funny
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### Author:  [@RiverpointeTax](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/RiverpointeTax)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 10:38pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/36 "2022-02-18T22:38:17Z")
The original question was centered on who certifies, credentials, the trainers. The concept was 'what credentials do the trainers posses that insures what they are teaching is based generally accepted practice and experience.
The Bar Association, the American Board of Engineering and Technology, Board of Medical Examiners, etc. all hold that the professionals have met professional standards. It seem the NSA trainers lack any form of credentialing.
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### Author:  [@VIPnotaryCO](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/VIPnotaryCO)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/37 "2022-02-18T22:49:42Z")
I don’t know!..… 🤷🏻♀️ I was answering your “mentorship” question……
and things got off track! 😂
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### Author:  [@rachel4notary](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/rachel4notary)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2022, 2:57am UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/38 "2022-02-20T02:57:09Z")
This should give an idea of how the professional code is deliberated and managed:
> **[Signing Professionals Workgroup](https://signingprofessionalsworkgroup.org/)**
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> Visit the post for more.
The NNA exam is designed to demonstrate understanding of the SPW code - and it’s up to the Signing Agent to then approach which mentor or outfit seems worthy of connecting with to explore the learning curve and set goals for their individual expectations.
Anyone can be a SA ‘trainer’ as it’s an entrepreneurial endeavor (unlike a Notary Public, which is an office of the state and regulated by the government - depending on the state, trainers generally must be approved based on their curriculum).
Those who assume the niche of becoming a mentor base it off their experience and creativity. Those who are highly regarded are generally successful based on their personal success, reputation for credibility, and client satisfaction - just like anything else built upon entrepreneurship.
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### Author:  [@Arichter](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/Arichter)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2022, 12:08pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/39 "2022-02-20T12:08:04Z")
Early in this thread, I basically said ‘nobody trains the trainers’ and then we all went haring off down rabbit holes. rachel4notary has brought us back to the reality of NSAs.
Having ‘been there’ while this field went from TCs needing ‘a notary with knowledge of real estate / lending / title’ to travel to a Borrower with _o/n docs_ for big bucks–$100 (mid 90’s…equivalent of about **$200** today), thru the beginning of Directories / print fees of $50/ being valued–then onto the boom years of 2000-06 with increased demand for ‘notaries–no experience needed’ (shortly later–at the behest of TCs–is when NNA got it’s claws into us–during which time it attempted to set low fees–and got shot down by the DOJ. Not long after, the SPW came into existance thru the NNA (hint: check who the SPW is—TCs & SS). Now BGC, E&O, Certification are ‘required’.
Simultaneously comes the lending crisis of 2008 with far fewer refis. Enter 'entreprenuers making up for lost income by hyping/selling ‘training programs’, resulting in the no-experience-required climbing aboard the 6 figure train. With so many newbs available & hungry, Platforms evolve and fees offered go down (while pkg size goes UP with ‘instructions’).
To get back to original question: Nobody certifies trainers or mentors; in other words: entreprenuers welcome! It’s still the wild west for trainers/mentors like it was for notaries prior to 2003-ish. Have at it. Success depends on ‘perceived’ value–which is not necessarily _actual_ value. Note that both NNA/SPW have always encouraged mentors–while those who were making some bank weren’t enthused about training the competition–having seen what notary oversaturation & platforms did to fees offered.
I have one other corrolary to make: (not sure if this is true in all states) Appraisers have paid training programs/certification/must work FOR another certified appraiser prior to going it alone–which has led to quite a bit of ‘control-over-competition’ and avoided the oversaturation of the field; unlike NSAs!
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### Author:  [@Arichter](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/Arichter)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2022, 1:18pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/40 "2022-02-20T13:18:19Z")
Actually, I think making sandals for garden gnomes is probably the better idea–the giggle factor might make it this year’s Billy Bass or Pet Rock.
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### Author:  [@cNsa5](https://forum.notarycafe.com/u/cNsa5)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2022, 1:46pm UTC](https://forum.notarycafe.com/t/who-credentials-trainers/31522/41 "2022-02-20T13:46:14Z")
> [@Arichter](#):
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> NNA got it’s claws into us–during which time it attempted to set low fees–and got shot down by the DOJ.
“NNA claws” Do ya hear that financial ‘sucking sound’ of the NNA draining money out of our shockingly diminishing pockets annually??
> [@Arichter](#):
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> SPW came into existance thru the NNA
💯 _ **Percent Accurate, Arichter** _. The NNA spewed the SPW into existence with Directors comprising their board who had never provided these services and who knew very little about what it requires all the while creating “guidelines” (read as “ **demands** ”) including attire for certified notary signing agent [CNSAs] to adhere to . . .
Some like to spout: “_the NNA is the gold standard_”
_ **Anyone who knows this business sector is fully cognizant that this statement is the farthest thing from the truth.** _ The NNA isn’t an association . . . _ **it’s a For-Profit business** _. A little research will confirm it. The NNA doesn’t fight for us to have notarization fees adjusted upwards, nor do they advocate for us to prevent negative activity from a legislation standpoint, they don’t offer reasonable prices on their supplies for us, etc.
> [@Arichter](#):
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> BGC, E&O, Certification are ‘required’
Correct, Arichter. When the Background Checks [BGCs] first started to become popular about 2010 (_over a decade ago_), the Title/Escrow Companies [T/ECs] would usually _ **not request an update** _ once a BGC was performed. _ **We all know that leopards DON’T change their spots.** _ Hence, no need for any update requests once a CNSA was vetted and in their system/database of trusted CNSAs.
A few years after that, it appears the NNA was _ **hungry for an additional revenue stream** _ and created a need by _recommending to the T/ECs_ that a new BGCs be requested _ **once every 3 years** _. Fast-forward another 1.5 years and the NNA was recommending to the T/ECs that BGCs be requested _ **once every 2 years** _. Fast-forward _another year_ and the NNA was recommending to the T/ECs that BGCs be requested _ **annually!** __Does the saga of how to boil a frog come to mind here??__ Albeit this saga has been debunked by MythBusters._
> [@Arichter](#):
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> hyping/selling ‘training programs’, resulting in the no-experience-required climbing aboard the 6 figure train.
**Concur here as well, Arichter,** with a minor side-note . . . Didn’t really see the floodgates open on the _ **BONANZA: Get-your-6-figure-income, used-car salesman** _ training program (_NOTE:_ _only is successful in rarified regions of the US_) until just before COVID-19 hit.
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> [@Arichter](#):
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> Appraisers have paid training programs/certification/must work FOR another certified appraiser prior to going it alone–which has led to quite a bit of ‘control-over-competition’ and avoided the oversaturation of the field
Yep!
**The MAJOR concern I have is . . .**
_We all know that the NNA eavesdrops on our forums and takes information from them to “create” articles and mine ideas for additional revenue streams._
If we beat this drum too much longer, I suspect that we may see the result of bringing this to light via a public forum . . .
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