I might have missed a "bullet"

A few days ago I was approached by a law firm to notarize a seller package. They had agreed to my fee of $250. Once I received the documents all five notarial acts did not comply with my FL state requirements. The seller package was being filed in the state of SC, so the title document required two witnesses. I addressed the non compliance certificates and they authorized the use of FL loose certificates. Here’s where things hit the “fan”, the law firm wanted me to act as one of the witnesses. I respectfully clarified that my role is limited to performing notarial acts within my official capacity and not as a private citizen. I offered to bring a witness with me, as long as the law firm would compensate the individual accordingly. The lawyer stated, they do not compensate witness, that they would find another LSA to handle the order. So we agreed to part ways. In this business, there are so many potential landmines that can turn around and explode. Yes, in Florida a Notary Public and act as a witness as long as they are not notarizing their own signature. But there are other potential legal consequences when a Notary Public choose to act as both the public official and private citizen. " A Notary Public who chooses to act as both a public official and a private citizen may face several legal consequences:

These consequences highlight the importance of maintaining clear boundaries between personal and official responsibilities."

" What Happens When a Notary Public Chooses to Act as Both a Public Official and a Witness

When a Notary Public chooses to act as both a public official and a witness, they may face several legal and ethical implications. The primary concern is the potential for a conflict of interest, as the notary’s impartiality is essential for ensuring the integrity of the notarization process. If the notary is involved in the transaction, they may be perceived as having a personal stake in it, which could undermine their role as a neutral third party. This situation can lead to legal challenges, as notaries are required to uphold the law and not discriminate against customers based on any valid reason.
In some states, there are specific statutes that restrict a notary from also acting as a witness, while in others, the rules are more flexible. It is crucial for notaries to be aware of their state’s laws and to avoid any actions that could compromise their impartiality. If a notary finds themselves in this situation, they should consult with legal counsel to understand the implications and ensure compliance with state regulations. (Can a Notary Public Also Be a Witness? - LegalClarity) legalclarity.org"

When a law firm demonstrates disregard for my decision to decline acting as a witness or in a private citizen capacity during the notarization process, it sends a clear and concerning message that they lack respect for my professional boundaries and, ultimately, do not prioritize my best interests or the integrity of the notarization process itself. When a law firm expresses the sentiment that they can easily replace me with another Notary Public or Signing Agent, stating something along the lines of, “We’ll just find another Notary Public/LSA to do the assignment,” it reveals a concerning lack of appreciation for professional standards, personalized service, and the specific expertise that each notary brings to the table. This dismissive attitude not only devalues my time and experience but also raises questions about their commitment to upholding the integrity and ethical conduct expected within the notarization process. It’s essential to prioritize the long-term health and sustainability of my business, even if it means declining lucrative opportunities that don’t align with my values, expertise, or operational standards. I am firm in my belief that walking away from assignments, even those offering high fees, is sometimes the most prudent and ultimately profitable decision. These situations allow me to focus on building a sustainable business based on strong relationships, ethical practices, and a commitment to providing high-quality service that meets the specific needs of my clients and aligns with my professional goals.

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Valuable post. New/inexperienced signing agents, please pay attention to Carl’s story. Understand there are going to be lots of people asking, insisting, demanding, and even attempting to browbeat you into breaking your notary ethics and state’s notary laws.
KNOW YOUR NOTARY RULES AND
STAND.
YOUR.
GROUND! :clap::clap::clap:

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@cfletcher :tada: Hear! Hear! :tada:

The paradigm shift from ‘employee’ to Business Owner can present challenges for some . . .

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I’m going to respond very short, you’re not an attorney? Are u? Those documents drawn up are solely responsible by the licensed attorneys that drew them up, your only job is verifying identity of the SIGNER and their signature? Being a 1st witness also is the same exact act as your notary signature just like the other 4 states. I think you missed out on a high paying job as the highest I’ve ever gotten from a firm is 175 and I was thrilled especially sellers?? They are only 20-45 pages and about 15 if it’s a cash sale.. That attorney could of easily had his secretary do it for free lol

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@Sjkad55 It is entirely understandable and acceptable that we may hold differing viewpoints and approaches when it comes to the specific execution of our professional duties and responsibilities as Notary Publics, and I want to express my sincere respect for the fact that we may respectfully disagree on certain methodologies. I am totally aware that in Florida, notaries can act as witnesses, but that doesn’t mean we should. Please be aware that I am not an attorney, and I am not providing legal advice in any capacity. When I am considering whether to accept a specific assignment, I take into account a wide range of factors, and the fee offered is certainly not the sole, or even the most impactful, consideration in my decision-making process. If the information that I have shared in this discussion does not resonate with you or offer any practical value for your own professional development, I completely respect that and thank you for sharing your point of view.

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If your gut is saying something is off, and you don’t feel comfortable based on your state statutes outlined, there is nothing wrong with you declining this notarization. I’ve been getting a lot of last minute/rush request signings lately who want the most work but don’t want to pay or pay significantly less. I think you did the right thing. Every state is different and ultimately you make the decision on if you want to move forward with it or not.

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The plural of notary public is “notaries public”.

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