Anyone have experience with Loan Signing System?

Yes I have taken the course and have used it for about 5 years now.

I only refer to the price because if you look into the website itself it tells you there are multiple pricing levels. I apologize if this came off hostile to you, but it’s annoying to see so many people in this form and others tear down LSS with fake information that is very easily disproved while also promoting their own courses or other courses that can equally get as expensive or are their own, but they will financially benefit from.

Everybody has the right to like and take whatever horse they want to take, but we are notaries and we’re expecting to be honest and truthful about things so that should extend to other courses and things that we consume as well. We shouldn’t be lying or deliberately, posting fake information, without taking the slightest bit of time to confirm if it’s true or not

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@dylan_messimer I’m exploring all avenues of marketability available. In my opinion, there is always room for expansion of knowledge and education. The world we live in today, you can never be too careful when it comes to putting money out on products and services. I take everything anyone says with a grain of salt, and do my own research before making any decisions.

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and that’s great. Just make sure to look at all the prices and information on LSS page and not just the highest amount. Best of luck with whoever you choose

@dylan_messimer Thank you.

Reality check: There just isn’t much business to be had by too many notaries already in the biz. Check your zip code right here to see how much competition is already available and remember hiring party is looking for cheap because they are no longer making their money on filling a LOT of orders but on how much of the fee they can keep in their pocket and not in yours. Supply of notaries is high; signing demand is low.

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@Arichter Concur :100: percent! Resounding Chorus from all of us sages . . .

Previously shared this wisdom with @number1tennia on 13AUG23 who seems to have benefitted from some of the data provided.

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TO ALL: As with launching ANY business within ANY business sector, the onus is upon the entrepreneur to research the business need & existing competition they’re likely to be confronted with in their efforts.

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@Arichter Notaries in my area are getting hard to find. I stay busy. Just not a lot of loan signings.

A very good training that only cost $45.00 Notary training school.

I agree i feel the same that NNA is not enough and I hear awesome things about Notary2pro…

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This information was great for me as a beginner. I have not completed a signing yet, but I think I will look into Notary2pro.

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Find a job. You’re trying to buy a ticket for a ship that has sailed.

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@jntunt1984 I took the course. It was really good.

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@Arichter I’m actually doing very well here in Springfield, Ohio. I’m pretty busy.

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I have a full time job. I’m just looking to do this part time right now.

I received an offer today for $40, and rejected it. I appreciate the nod on Notary2Pro and will check it out!

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Happy you turned it down. Now is everyone said NO to LOW, fees would rise. The opposite is also true…when people accept the loser fees, they’ll keep trying lower & lower.

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I worked in the Autobody industry, as an estimator, and I talked to an adjuster about the low rates that insurance companies pay in the city compared to in the rural area. I thought it would be the reverse, and she told me that it’s based on what the shops accept, and there are more shops in the city than out of town. There were shops accepting low rates, so the insurance companies would lowball them until enough shops demanded higher rates.

So, I started demanding higher rates.

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Yep! They are playing the Supply & Demand game. If we could turn it around by Demand (a higher fee) then the Supply (fee) will increase. Your key words are: companies would lowball them until enough shops demanded higher rates.

As for this ‘do it cheap to gain experience’. There’s so much wrong with this, I don’t know where to begin. When you start a new job–they pay you the same wage as the person who’s been there a bit longer and actually knows the ropes. Should be the same with us. When you’re learning something–you’re slower (meaning you’ve already taken a pay cut just because ‘getting it right’ takes you longer than someone with experience). But, you’ll get there!

Off topic, but the most important thing you can do for yourself is KNOW ALLYOUR ACTUAL EXPENSES. A spreadsheet is the best way to accomplish this. Only with that info will you realize what you are really making. I guarantee you will be very disappointed & will then start making a profit.

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@Arichter Concur :100: percent. :partying_face:

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To ALL Notary Cafe Members: Looking for insights on how to calculate your actual out-of-pocket expenses & Create a List of Fees for the professional services you provide?

NOTE: Current IRS mileage rate is = 65.5 cents/mile

Here is a guide to help you along the way ===>>>

It would be in your best interest to jot down all of the expenses associated with performing the services you provide within your service region to determine a baseline operating cost. Then, at that point, you can calculate the fees that will generate a net profit to determine if you’ll have a Profit or sustain a Loss at that rate.

There are many items to consider within your Overhead calculations. Here are a few to get you started:
• telephone expenses including cell phone equipment and monthly service fees
• office equipment and furniture; i.e., work chair, work desk, reliable dual-tray printer, trustworthy scanner, etc.
• Notarial stamps for Jurats, Acknowledgements, Notarial Name, Commission Expiration, etc.
• rent and utilities
• paper
• toner
• binder clips
• pens (inexpensive for one-time use)
• stationery and supplies including stamps & envelopes
• travel costs to & from signer locations (i.e., create a generic by county list)
• travel costs to & from FedEx/UPS/USPS, etc. (i.e., choose your favorite location OR the closest that will provide you with a receipt)
• business insurance
• business-related meals and entertainment
• professional association memberships
• annual background checks
• annual certification expenses
• legal and accounting fees
• tax preparation fees
• advertising and marketing costs; i.e., Google ads, yellow pages ad, website, business cards, or brochure
• Protection equipment; i.e., COVID-19 masks, hand sanitizer, wipes, etc.

AND many more!

Your individual overhead would also include the cost of fringe benefits; i.e., medical insurance, disability insurance, retirement benefits. Also, remember to include quarterly income tax payment to federal & state (as appropriate) and self-employment taxes.

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If calculating all this accurately seems to be a bit overwhelming, reach out to your tax advisor and ask for guidance in this regard. :sparkles::yellow_heart:

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Also, there is an excellent specific cost breakdown by one business owner for services within her [ @anon78047977 ] region & for her overhead:

"Ok for a seasoned already in business Signing Agent (meaning no start up costs to factor in, just on going costs)

Average Refinance

  • 150 pages (300 when having to print 2 copies)
  • 35 miles average miles to signing/from signing/to FedEx drop
  • Print cost average .15 per page (Laser printer, standard paper. Note this is also the cost at Staples, FedEx Office in the area BUT I have actually calculated my real costs by dividing the number of pages I get from a toner kit, my drum kit, cost of paper etc. but I use this average of .15 because there are Notaries around who actually use outside printing)
  • IRS mileage .56 per mile [currently .655] (you can use actual costs of gas, insurance, plus maintenance costs. I will use the IRS rate because it’s a good average and I also have Tolls I have to pay which I will not add in this example. Also later I kind of use this amount as a “catch all” for other expenses. Again, I have determined my “actual” costs and the averages I use are pretty spot on.)
  • 2.25 hours an average total time spent which includes, confirming appt & reviewing instructions, printing/prepping docs, travel time to/from/to FedEx, signing/notarizing docs, scan back
  • Costs that people usually do not take into consideration because it’s part of their household BUT they are costs of running a business (home office expenses - internet, electric, computer, phone, supplies, etc.) Remember every business has similar expenses

So here we go…let’s look at average total for this signing:
$45 print costs
$19.60 mileage rate (So this number is based on IRS mileage rate. I use this number as a catch all to give me an estimate of my actual costs (gas, toll, %of annual maintenance, %of insurance and a % of home office costs, %of supplies, etc. Since I know my % for every business expenses, I already know this number is pretty close to my actual costs. For example my actual costs for this signing would be around $21)

It will cost me $64.60 for a 150 page refinance order. With no issues, no traffic, no reprints, no problems

If I took a $75 signing fee I would net $10.40
I would net roughly $4.62 per hour for a signing that took up 2.25 hours of my time.

$95 I would net $30.40 or $13.51 per hour
$125 I would net $60.40 or $26.84 per hour
$150 I would net $85.40 or $37.96 per hour

So when I advocate for SAs and fees I am not just coming up with number off the top of my head. I have done the math for myself personally."

SOURCE: Signing Agent Fee is Just Not a Notary Fee - #38 by anon78047977

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Yes, Mark is fantastic and so are all of his guest speakers/instructors.

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