I struck a nerve today I guess

I guess I struck a nerve today.

Back on Thursday, October 23rd, I accepted an assignment through the Snapdocs platform for Friday, October 31st at 2:00 PM. The location was an hour away—which is typical for the rural area I live in—but they met my pay request, so I confirmed.

Early last Wednesday afternoon, I left a comment on the order asking whether I should expect documents Thursday evening or sometime Friday. I wanted to plan my morning and possibly take on additional appointments. Silence. No response.

Later that afternoon, I received a text saying the signing had been rescheduled to Monday, November 3rd at 2:00 PM. No one followed up to ask if I could accommodate the new time—something I usually consider a basic professional courtesy.

Today was the new appointment day. I held off on scheduling morning work. Assuming documents might arrive the night before or early morning. I planned to run errands if everything was ready to go. But again—no documents. So I sat here waiting, and waiting.

At 11:03 AM, I posted a note on Snapdocs: we were just under two hours from my departure time, and I asked if documents would be ready to keep me on track. Again, silence.

At 12:06 PM—less than an hour before I needed to leave—I added another comment explaining that I had other commitments and couldn’t wait any longer. I wanted both the signing service and title company to see it which is why I used the Snapdocs comments section first. Then I called the SS directly.

She asked why I was canceling. I explained that I’d asked about documents over an hour ago and hadn’t heard back. She got upset and said she had messaged the title manager. I told her that a little professional courtesy would’ve gone a long way by simply adding a note back to the order. Most of us veterans know we’re often copied on those emails.

I calmly explained that this order had now cost me two full days of work—turning down other assignments I could’ve taken. She replied, “Well, you didn’t have to accept the job a second time.” I told her I was never asked. She implied that wasn’t her fault, but someone else’s.

I asked to be removed from the order. She responded, “Well, I will—and also remove you from our future signings.” I said that was fine. In the past 3.5 years, I’ve only worked with them maybe four times.

Now the entire order has vanished from my dashboard, rather than showing as canceled like others have.

Sorry for the rant. I’m just tired of SS and title companies acting like their deal is the only one that matters—and that my time is disposable. I’m fortunate enough to be selective about the work I take. I even told her that on the phone.

I’m sure they’ll find a way to ding my ranking. I don’t care.

But hey, I had time to celebrate my granddaughter’s first birthday with her today—and that was worth far more than any money I could’ve made.

Sorry you all. Just had to do a mini rant.

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I am going thru the same thing right now.

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They just don’t get that a little professional courtesy goes a long long way. I would never just leave someone hanging. Even the signer, her and I were texting a bit this morning. She asked me if we were still on. I told her it was my intention if they get me documents. I suggested she reach out to her loan officer. She reached out and I had left that 11am request. I asked her if she had heard anything back about 10 minutes before I canceled, and she had not. Nobody had replied to either her or I, so I canceled. Yet, I’m the A hole today I guess. Oh well, like I said, I don’t need work from this SS. I have a spreadsheet of every signing I’ve done for this reason. I knew I could burn that bridge if they got upset. I don’t need to work, I like to work and get out. SS seemed to think I’d get upset if she threatened to not hire me again. But thanks for listening Earl. I just with notaries would be treated better is my gripe. Yes, at the table, that customer is my focus and only customer. In the time leading up to that appointment, no, SS and title need to understand we have other customer, and life priorities.

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Who is this disrespectful company? You have absolutely every right to vent. They wasted 2 of your days. Time is something we never get back. So glad you were able to celebrate with your granddaughter!

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I do not mention SS’s by name on here as I’m sure they keep eyes on forums.

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I absolutely agree I don’t like naming names - but it can still be a benefit to discuss these things that can happen.

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Especially when it seems to be getting more and more common that verbiage is now coming up in their “contracts” that forbids us from speaking of them on social media and forums. That sends up a huge flag that they know we talk and probably see us talk.

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While I certainly sympathize, something occurs to me that I’ll share with y’all.

I’m of a different generation. I text when I have to and telephone when I must. If I need something done, I CALL. There are several reasons for this. 1) I need an answer NOW and I want to know the name of the person giving me that answer. 2) I want to build relationships and that cannot be done with texts. By calling, I have the opportunity to selectively joke around, express sympathy, go deeper, commiserate, accept/decline/defer personally, and 3) speak and listen in ways that let the signing service person know I’m on their side and grateful for the order, taken or declined.

Look, anybody can learn the technical / paperwork aspects of being a notary. It’s how you interact with people that really matters. Signing services, title people, lenders, escrow officers, etc. are not our adversaries. They got their problems, too, and quite often, I regret to say, those problems are us. BUT we’re not supposed to just take it. After all, it’s US in the field, doing the driving in bad traffic and bad weather, dealing with surly signers, needing docs soon, and all the rest. One must find ways to work with the shortcomings and still make money and have fun. Fortunately, I have found ways.

In closing this defensive rant, I’ll say this. Early this past summer, I had a witch give me nothing but insults and resistance during a signing and, after a long, hard day, I decided not to take it anymore. I simply questioned her in the calmest manner why she doubted what I was explaining to her. She apparently didn’t like my “tone” and reported me to the signing service that I’ve done hundreds of jobs for. They immediately cut me off and I haven’t gotten an offer from them since. They reminded me that the customer is ALWAYS right (even when their not).

I don’t much miss that signing service. But in parting ways, I was also reminded of what I always preached to my staff when I owned my companies: Fruits of the Spirit - Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Gentleness, Faithfulness and Self-Control. Against these things, there is NO law.

Colleagues, endeavor to get creative in your problem solving and practice the Fruits of the Spirit at all times. You’ll be surprised at the outcome.

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I can certainly relate to the frustration described in this post; working in this industry for an extended period, these situations unfortunately do occur, and I’ve personally encountered comparable issues. It’s quite disheartening to observe what seems to be a general decline in professional courtesy and basic standards of communication within our field.

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One point for me as to using the leaving a note on snapdocs prior to me calling them is one very important point to make. It is written proof of my issues that snapdocs themselves can see and review. Coming from banking and especially a collections department, rule #1, always leave a papertrail where possible.

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Ive had that very thing happen last week, except they did not threaten to remove me. Their offer had not been last minute, but since accepting it, there we’re several higher paid offerings. Then docs dont arrive. Then it was delayed a day. Then no docs arrive, and then, when they do arrive, they are wrong. Like you said, manners are out the door and they think their order is the only game in town. Then, there are the last minute ones at 185 pages, 40 minute drive, 30 minutes until the appointment, or after 10PM!

I’m sorry to hear you are cutoff, Bobby. Where is the loyalty? In my nearly 10 years of signing I’ve only had one or two companies tell me they value their notaries. Others act like we are easily replaceable and one even added extra punitive strikes against me which weren’t called for. I still work for them but only the very difficult, very far, or high hanging fruit. I’m their go-to for VIP signings and some of my previous clients specifically request my services. The other company has me last to receive notices because I won’t compromise on my fees. If I get less work, at least I feel I am compensated fairly. The thing is not to take things personally. I’m sure you provide excellent service and that will shine through regardless.

@Bobby-CA :folded_hands: Concur :100: percent! :folded_hands:


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Sorry to hear that Bobby, I am sure you were doing a good job. Some people just can’t be satisfied unless they cause others’ problems. The signing service should have listened to her and then forgot about it and not cut you off.

So, it’s Thursday the 6th now. I knew from the sounds of the signers VM the first time I had contacted her, she is a bit odd. After I removed myself from the signing Monday, I did text her to let her know that I had to remove myself since it appeared the documents would not arrive in time. She text me this morning to see if they had sent me documents. So, amost a week from the first scheduled date of signing, she still obviously hasn’t signed. I reminded her that I was no longer the notary and asked if a new notary has reached out to confirm and she said No. Looks like I saved myself a heck of a lot of problems and stress this week.

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@jennifer.shaffor :white_check_mark: Absolutely :white_check_mark:

:tada: Excellent Business Decision :tada:


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Crapdocs? I fired them 3 years ago. Anytime a middleman whose only job is to successfully nick half the signer’s notary fee is placed between a Title company and the notary, problems arise. Notaries are not Grubhub delivery drivers, yet the pay is about the same. Most signers are making the biggest decision of their lifetime, and “they” insert a non-notary into the mix.

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Point and sign Bobby, our E&O don’t cover “mansplaining”.

Due to the disrespect of the signing services and the embarrassing low offers on pay, I personally have removed my self from Singing order and snap docs, and a few others, they do not deserve 2/3 of what I am earning…the only company I will even entertain a closing for anymore is Jot, but they are far and few between…

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It’s just business. If they pay what I ask - that’s all I require. I don’t take any of it personally.

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