Nobody wants to work anymore! The era of laziness!

yes! Absolutely we need to connect as well.

The signings have definitely slowed. It’s refi c/outs or the low ball Debt presentations. Too many NSA’s as soon as something pops up I haven’t even had a chance to read it and it’s gone. So for all of these no one wants to work, where are all these new NSA’s coming from? McDonalds? :slight_smile:

I worked at McDonalds in the late 70’s and I think I made just over a dollar an hour. It might have been less than that, but that was so long ago.

Before retiring I worked in Human Resources and I can tell you that the young generation does not want to work. The want to start at the top making top dollar, but not doing any work that is worth what they are being paid.

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Because living in Metaverse Facebook is much better, you can live in a virtual house, have a virtual job, drive a virtual car, take a virtual vacation, you can even pick a life like a bird etc if you’re bored being human. Who wants to live and work in reality when you can live in the virtual world!

Yep, we are doomed……

Hmm…With all due respect to the elder generation in this thread… I’ve never seen a bigger circle jerk of confirmation bias in my life. I think that’s purely unfortunate because this kind of stuff is the reason the younger generation doesn’t want to talk to the older one. All I’m seeing from the elder people is talking about how it works for them or worked for them in the past. Talking about 1 person and acting like that persons personal experience or situation needs to be the standard etc. and completely ignoring any defense or explanation as to what it could be other than the presupposed “laziness” that was placed.

This, this right here, is why the younger generation shuts the older one out of the conversation. I spent a year and a half running around my entire city looking for jobs and getting rejected, dealing with stalkers, dogs, meth heads in the dead of night, gangs and so on and while I was out doing all of that and praying I’d live to the next day, I was still being told I had no work ethic by the older people around me.

I reached out for the bad jobs and good jobs, I got neither until I got my hands on a government job. The experience from that job was as follows: I woke up, ran off to work, worked 8 hours and by the time I came home I had to immediately go to bed otherwise I wouldn’t wake up early enough to get there on time. I did not have time for either personal hygiene or eating. Breakfast consisted of whatever snacks I could buy at lunch time from the company, which shifted from day to day. This worried my co-workers, obviously, but they couldn’t do anything. The job advertised setting your own schedule, mine was ignored completely. This was an apparent thing they did all the time but never said anything about during recruitment. Guess what? I was still considered lazy by the older people around me. At that point I just started ignoring them because I didn’t need to hear that after all I went through and I quit that Job to be an NSA despite their misgivings.

That is the experience you’re contributing to here. The younger generation knows what it wants:

  1. A job they can feel respected in.

  2. A job that KEEPS UP with inflation.

  3. A job that rewards you for loyalty and gives you purpose.

The problem? Corporate jobs do not function like this anymore. They haven’t for decades. If you want respect, decent pay and rewarded loyalty or any sense of purpose in your job then 9 times out of 10, you work for yourself. Don’t believe me? Here’s a Forbes article saying the same thing. Or you could try this video from Jeffery Pfeffer explaining why Employee Loyalty doesn’t exist anymore from Stanford in 2015 Is that still not enough? How about hearing a Marketing Growth expert say it on the topic of those Restaurant jobs, directly?

No One Wants to Work in Service Industry. Every restaurant is shorthanded. The service industry is struggling, and it’s not because people are lazy. Too many people assume that employees are lazy and would rather cash unemployment checks than work for a living. I can’t deny that some people are taking advantage of the generous unemployment government checks, but for the most part, the problem is more significant than a check. Most restaurant industry employees don’t find work in the service industry rewarding anymore. They are shorthanded, and customers don’t care about that fact. So they mistreat them for slow service and don’t leave them any tips. Employees have realized that making $2.13 an hour and relying on customers to make up the difference in tips while having no benefits or work-life balance isn’t worth it.

This isn’t “laziness of a generation” that you guys seem to be so into. If a worker shows up and doesn’t do their job, it’s because they hate their job and don’t really want to be there but they likely have no other choice. This has always been the case regardless of generation. If they’re not showing up to interviews and not telling you why, then they’ve probably found something better and they don’t feel the need to inform you of that. It also isn’t just the workforce, but the hiring force as well. As reported on by ABC: Job hunting nightmare: 1,000 plus job applications and still no offers
Man, imagine submitting 1000 resumes and not getting a response and then being told you’re being lazy… Some more sources because it’s never enough to get the point across.

From Business Insider: A worker in Florida applied to 60 entry-level jobs in September and got one interview

From Harvard: Answer to U.S. labor shortage? ‘Hidden’ workforce

The Aspen Institute: Don’t Blame Workers for a Shortage of Good Jobs

Favorite quote from that article? “One employer pays $8 per hour, and another has raised pay to $11 to $14 per hour. That is not nearly enough to live on, and far less than the average $21 per hour offered by fast-growing warehouse and storage employers.”

It’s not about “Starting at the top” it’s about not being broke and stressed out.

From the New York Times:

If anything, wages today are historically low. They have been growing slowly for decades for every income group other than the affluent. As a share of gross domestic product, worker compensation is lower than at any point in the second half of the 20th century. Two main causes are corporate consolidation and shrinking labor unions, which together have given employers more workplace power and employees less of it.

CNBC:

Bankrate senior economic analyst Mark Hamrick tells CNBC Make It. “Gen Z and millennials are the most mobile participants in the workforce for a number of reasons,” he says. “They aren’t making as much money as their older, more senior counterparts, so they’re more eager to find higher paid jobs, and they tend to be more technologically savvy, so they’re in a better position to take advantage of remote work opportunities.”

Work has always played an influential role in people’s lives, but the forced isolation many have faced during the Covid-19 pandemic has triggered a widespread existential crisis. “It’s only natural to re-evaluate our work and our lives when you’re dealing with a mortal threat like Covid-19,” Hamrick says. “Everyone is re-thinking what they want from their jobs and a sense of urgency to take control over their careers.”

Another sneaky factor driving some Gen Z and millennials to leave their jobs is ageism, Stiller Rikleen adds. “I hear from younger workers all the time that they don’t feel that they’re respected in the workplace, because people are applying stereotypes to them, dismissing their ideas, or they’re not being mentored,” she says. “If you don’t feel respected at your job, you’re going to explore other options.”

Forbes, Again:

When it comes to job loyalty, it’s all or nothing for our youngest generations. If companies can inspire their commitment, they’ll go all-in—even, as the Digital Natives Report asserts, to the point of job burnout. But to win—and sustain—that kind of loyalty, employers must score a workplace trifecta: salary, purpose, and employee development.

People aren’t being lazy, surmising it as such is simply rude and a quick way keep yourself looking for answers. The corporate structure has changed, the market of labor changed with it. Things do not work like they used to and they’re not going to. You can pay me a million dollars a day, but if I have to get shouted at, insulted, or deal with hell in a handbasket every one of those days then you’d be hard pressed to find me there more than once.

Also side note, moving out at 18. Most other places in the world have several generations of family living under one roof as a normal thing. China, Italy, Africa, Macedonia etc. America is one of, if not the only, place that says living with your parents past 18 is somehow indicative of you being lazy or a failure. Side note over.

This is one of the reasons I became a Signing Agent. My work matters, it pays decently, I have meaning and reward in my work in that I get an actual reputation. Jobs like this are where most of the young adults are moving. Where it really matters. Even better is that I get to work a “Virtual Job” in which the ease of RON has allowed even people like myself (I am highly susceptible to covid) some form of steady, reliable income. That is also one of the reasons this job is so great and why the so called “low ballers” are in abundance. I never would have imagined getting $65 for a signing that takes 30-45 minutes at my old job. I’d be grateful for those scraps when I used to get less. Not to mention I don’t have a high standard of living (most of my generation doesn’t), so I don’t need to make 100K a year for myself. Of course you’re going to get more “low ballers” after that.

Anywho, I’ve said my piece. Trying to surmise a big issue into a small answer doesn’t usually work out and it’s plainly insulting. Regardless, have a nice day.

P.S. no one in my generation cares about the Metaverse. If you look at the numbers, Facebook hasn’t been appealing to millennial’s and gen z since 2017. Most people, my generation especially, are mocking it. Please stop treating us like we don’t understand the basic value of life.

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I’m one of those you might refer to as a member of the senior generation. I agree with what you’ve stated. I remember my generation complaining about entitled Millennials. In the role as a hiring manager, I seldom found Millennials to be lazy, they weren’t interested in working long hours on a salaried pay check, i.e. no overtime. I didn’t blame them. They saw their parents and grandparents sacrificing for the job only to be laid off.

Millennials and post-Millennials seem to take a more pragmatic view of employment. They’re willing to take the entry level bottom jobs, but aren’t willing to keep those positions for long. They see jobs as stepping stones to something better. This is something I should have done. I spent far too many years working for employers who saddled me to the “tough” jobs or expecting me to clean up bad management decisions. It was bad management decisions that motivated me to leave corporate life. The irony is one of my past employers is now facing several class action lawsuits triggered by internal whistle blowers and having problems keeping new hires on the job.

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