@johnsonps306 I am not the kind of notary that just shows up to get the signing done. Just because I didn’t notice the label does not mean I am not doing anything else but getting the signatures. I agree that as a notary we need to follow instructions and do everything that you need to do. But with this comment you are making by one mistake that I made you are basically telling me that I am not a good notary and that I don’t follow instructions. All you had to say is that you don’t agree that it’s not my fault. That it is my fault because I should have paid more attention to the label. Instead of all the things you just said. I have been a notary since 2003, stopped for a while and back again 3 years ago. Not one time has a company ever used ground, so I never thought of having to pay attention to that. Was it my fault for not looking at the label. Sure. But at the same time the signing company should have told me that it was ground considering that next day air is what is used 100% of the time. But thank you for your comment.
THAT’S OUTRAGEOUS!!! They don’t pay you and then they actually made a claim on your E & O for using the label THEY provided??? Now they need to be specifically named so nobody ever works for 'em again. The sad part is E&O carrier gets to decide whether to pay the claim or fight it in court ( and they nearly always decide it’s cheaper to pay the claim.)
@johnsonps306 It depends on how you deliver it. As I said it could have been said better. It’s fine that you feel that I was wrong in this and that I should have checked the label. But the way you went about it is what upsets me.
@Arichter I am going to wait and see what the claim will say and then go from there. But in case you like to know the company is Notary Connect.
While I can appreciate that I will also say folks take things the way they take them and it’s not always related to intent. It’s common to social media. I am fairly direct. I was not saying you are a bad notary. What I said was I would have noticed and questioned a UPS ground label at once.
@johnsonps306 It is hard to know what a person’s intents are in text. I don’t mind a person being direct. It’s honesty. If I am wrong, I’m wrong and will learn from it. That is my goal. So, being direct is fine. I take the information and learn from it.
Being direct and honest has gotten dozens of my comments removed from this forum by the non-notary administrator. But I digress. The most chilling response in my opinion was when she stated that the SIGNING SERVICE was filing a claim against her bond. That statement deserves its own thread. Reading that literally made me want to throw up. I’m not sure what dollar amount her state requires her to carry but a bond is not insurance.
@ewing_joe I never said that the bond is an insurance. I understand that a bond is basically a surety bond that helps protect the public from a notary’s negligence. But there is a claim that has been made and a decision is being decided. They are doing an investigation. If my post made you nauseous you could have just not made a comment. You know there is a difference between being honest and being a jerk. In text it is hard to tell what a person is trying to say. But at least try your best to not be so cruel in your statement.
Hi. I doont thin ge mesnt you harm..but rather the way you are being treated..
i responded to you but im not sure they let the .piece thru to you.
U need to find out what the law is in your state
If they sent you the shipping label ..its their fault ..period..
however. YOU HAVE TO BE SURE
THEN
…i would call the loan officer or title officer .if the signing company is blaming you
..its “always blame the notary”
Its sounds like whoever prepared the docs to send to you..(usually the signing companies do not.) Is trying to cover their tail by blaming u.
Anybody threatening you seems way out of line.
You can find out who ordered the shipping label by cslling the shipper and giving them the acct #
Then you know who is at fault..and ask them how they feel about fraud charges .
report to your atty general office or the county clerk.
To find out your rights and perhsps report fraud.
I did look up about what I did and stuff and it says that the title company and/or signing company are responsible for the label. The notary does need to check how it is being shipped out, but ultimately the responsibility is the signing company. The next day shipping label is used 95% of the time. Therefore, it is the signing companies’ responsibility to let the notary know that it is ground instead of next day. Right now, I am just waiting to see what will happen. But I think I am pretty confident that I did nothing wrong.
Well I read your post and felt sorry for your situation that was entirely preventable. I apologize. It’s obvious that you harmed both the signers and the hiring party, good luck with that. But disrespecting your fellow notaries is not a good look.
Your state law says the Notary DOES need to check how it is shipped?
Or. Just to be sure there is a return shipping label?
Be sure. This point is EXTREMELY important.
Did you find out who prepared And Printed,the package that was sent to you..?
You need to have your information on hand..
This may be an error on their end trying to blame you for their mistake
.did you check with the county clerk or your state atty office.?? For the law and your responsibility, if any?
Make sure..if its their responsibility..then sue
Good luck
Legally..it doesn’t seem to be her problem at all…what does the law say.?
Im happy for you that you never had this problem occur…we all look over the documents or should..but we miss or dont pay attention to certain docs.
WHAT IS THE LAW?
WE are responsible for the quality of the signing, signatures and properly notarized documents..NOT THEIR CONTENT..
That said,her missing or not questioning, a shipping procedure doesn’t make her responsible for the documents not getting back in a timely fashion.
Its always blame the notary..well now you own it ..you sent her the documents..its your job to prepare them properly not ours as notaries..
Isn’t that the law
I have gotten enough of this from Blue Notary, i am cancelling my connection with the service. I have registered with Proof and am up and running. Being a notary with many years of experience (some in an Escrow office) and those include Online notarizations it is safe to say I am aware of what to do or not to do during a signing.
I have had Blue Notary record the signing in my log and pay me for it. Then turn around and refund the notary fee! Several times it is because the fee is for witness services provided and the notary on the job makes a mistake. The witness is the one getting penalized for the main notary. As a witness I cannot say anything or tell the main notary what to do. It is just waste of valuable time sitting around watching a train wreck and not getting paid. The site does not stand up and support those who have been with them for the longer period of time and have the better accuracy record. They prefer to lose that notary over one who makes the mistakes an will cost them money.
I know I was new once. But I found training. I still find training because things are constantly changing. I once thought being a notary would be a fun side gig. Little did I know this is for someone who likes to study and learn. Because there is always something to learn. My challenge for each of you is my daily challenge to myself: each day find 1 thing you didn’t know and truly learn it. It does not always have to be notary related but that is the best place to start.
@ewing_joe I am not sure how I am disrespecting my fellow notaries. I was asking for opinions and if your opinion is that I was the one in the wrong then that’s fine. Maybe I am. But it also depends on what the law is. But I did read where 99% of the time a next day air label is used. Hardly ever a ground label. Also, there were instructions that you are given when you do a signing. I read the instructions and there was nothing in there that mentioned that this was being sent by ground. For the most part the instructions are the same thing, but you should read it in case there is something different. Now, should I have looked at the label and made sure that it was next day air. Sure, I should have done that. But because I have been doing this for years and not one time until that day was a ground label ever been used. But lesson learned. I immediately responded to the bonding company with everything that they asked for. My understanding is that since this the first time that this has ever happened, I could just get a warning and make sure that this does not happen again. Or it is their fault. Because of the debate going on when I hear back from them, I will upload the proof on here so those of you who thinks that what I did was wrong will know for sure if it was wrong or not. And if it comes back that I was not in the wrong will you eat your words?
@CAFRAN2 I don’t think it matters who printed the label. The signing company hired me, and I think it is their responsibility to let me know how the documents are being shipped especially since it was not being shipped by next day air. But again, there is a debate on rather it is a notary’s responsibility to check the shipping label to make sure that it goes out when it should. Is it obvious on the shipping label on how it is being shipped? Yes, it is. Should I have checked? Yes, I should have. So, as far as I am concerned this is 50/50 until I hear back from them and know for sure whose fault it is. Either way it is a lesson learned and after that I have been making sure how the shipping labels are being shipped. And every single one since then has been next day air. But again there will be that one time just like with this one.
@johnsonps306 So, are you saying that just because I didn’t check the shipping label you feel that I don’t have a lot of experience being a signing agent? Otherwise, I would have known that? That’s being judgmental. I was a notary in 2003 for 10 straight years and then stopped for another 10 years. Started up again 3 years ago and for all those years that I was a notary not one time until this day was a ground label ever used. Now, I don’t know what companies you have worked for and if they use ground label sometimes. But every signing I have ever done has always been next day. Except for this one. Now, you are right that it is obvious what kind of label is being used. But I admit. I didn’t read it only because ground is not every hardly used. So, I assumed it was next day. I even read the instructions, and, in the instructions, it says to make sure that the FedEx next day are gets shipped out in a timely manner. It did not say anything about this one being UPS for that and that it was ground. But okay, should I have checked? Sure. Just like I said above. But again, we are not the law, and we did not make the law. But either way wrong or right. I did learn a lesson and won’t make that same mistake again. But let’s not sit here and act like we are supposed to be perfect and do everything perfect. We are only humans and we make mistakes and this was mine. So, why am I being beating up for a mistake that I made one time in all the years that I have been a notary? As I have said before. It’s one thing to give an opinion. It’s another when you make the person feel less than a person. Be honest with what your opinion is, but you don’t need to be a bully about it. At least that is how I am feeling about the way some are expressing their opinions.
Okay, this is for everyone that is curious about the outcome of the claim that was against me.
So, it is not my fault. I did nothing wrong.
Seriously? You need to remind them that you can create “legal” issues for them as well. Stop being defensive and you attack. Contact any regulatory or licensing agent in your state and put them on the defense! Remember, they have Federal Regulations to adhere to…they don’t want anyone “looking” at the way they conduct business.
Since their claim against me was denied, they have paid me and I don’t think I need to do anything else. But I don’t think I am going to do anymore signings for them.